IP: Beyond Carnivore: FBI Eyes Packet Taps (fwd)
mikecabot at fastcircle.com
mikecabot at fastcircle.com
Sun Oct 21 06:45:23 PDT 2001
The info in the Interactive Week article is basically the same info
from the National Journal article previously posted here, which leads
me to suspect that Baker is simply repeating the same rumor to
everyone who'll write about it.
But..... it is interesting that they say "router manufacturers" here.
I believe that what Baker "heard" was simply the FBI going out to
people like Cisco and some of the larger network providers and people
responsible for provisioning NAPs and saying "we want you to
implement the additions to IPSEC that the IETF refused to implement".
(For background, the FBI, DOJ, DoD -- the "usual suspects" -- had
presented a series of recommendations to the IETF last year that
would create "packet accounting" features in IPSEC protocols and
future IP protocols.... they were rejected by the IETF, which stated
at the time that the idea of creating built-in exploits to a protocol
designed for security was counterintuitive. See http://www.ietf.org
for more info.)
Now, it is entirely possible that given the public pressure arising
from the 9-11 attacks, individual manufacturers (read" "Cisco") might
bow to such pressure, and build-in some of these features into future
products AND into future software builds for existing products.
So, I think this is what Baker "heard" -- not that the FBI has any
such system in place or would have one anytime soon... rather, that
the FBI will re-present these proposals one-on-one with Cisco and a
few <major> network providers, and in effect, get the impact of their
previously-rejected proposals implemented to cover maybe as much as
80% or more of the traffic in the domestic US. And besides access to
the majority of USA packet traffic, they would have access to some
part of international traffic too... it's beyong the scope of this
email, but keep in mind that many non-USA NAPs are really connected
to one another VIA the USA..... in effect, bug the USA NAPs, and you
get access to almost all the traffic from Pacific Rim countries like
Japan, Australia, etc. and you get access to small parts of Western
Europe also, not to mention parts of Africa and the Middle East that
uplink via satellite instead of a wired connection.
An enterprising reporter might make an interesting article out of
trying to track down exactly what parts of the IETF proposal the FBI
wants (Declan?) and someone could post copies of the draft proposal
as first released at ietf.org (JYA?). But I digress :)
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> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 06:07:48 -0400
> From: David Farber
> Reply-To: farber at cis.upenn.edu
> To: ip-sub-1 at majordomo.pobox.com
> Subject: IP: Beyond Carnivore: FBI Eyes Packet Taps
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> >
> >From: Monty Solomon
> >Subject: Beyond Carnivore: FBI Eyes Packet Taps
> >
> >
> >October 18, 2001
> >Beyond Carnivore: FBI Eyes Packet Taps
> >By Max Smetannikov
> >
> >Expect the FBI to expand its Internet wiretapping program, says a
> >source familiar with the plan.
> >
> >Stewart Baker, a partner with law firm Steptoe & Johnson, is a
former
> >general counsel to the National Security Agency. He says the FBI
has
> >spent the last two years developing a new surveillance architecture
> >that would concentrate Internet traffic in several key locations
> >where all packets, not just e-mail, could be wiretapped. It is now
> >planning to begin implementing this architecture using the powers
it
> >has under existing wiretapping laws.
> >
> >http://www.interactiveweek.com/article/0,3658,s%3D605%26a%
253D16678,00.asp
>
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