[Fwd: Multiple Internets]
Ted Smith
tedks at riseup.net
Wed Feb 10 11:40:17 PST 2016
Wireless broadcasts everything on radio. Wired less so.
I mean this for extremely local networks, i.e., a single building or
city block.
On Wed, 2016-02-10 at 19:52 +0100, Cari Machet wrote:
> i will look at that
>
>
> but what makes wired less "chatty"
>
>
> can you expand your ideas on why wireless over wired/fiber?
>
>
> if the interconnected reach problem goes away that is
>
>
> +++
>
>
> my issue with wire/fiber is that it is infrastructure built by the
> powers ... if higher levels of strength are on wireless networks -
> which my report discusses as coming - then maybe it is a better place
> to form new structures
>
>
> the powers have proven they will lock them for capital as the
> chatanooga model demonstrates so i think it would be best to move from
> wire
>
>
> and my point in bringing up syria and iraq wireless use as v strong
> signal in the middle of nowhere speaks to wireless ability as well so
>
>
> i have no clue how they attianed this super connectivity and maybe the
> human body was sort of fucked by the waves floating in the air but
> still ... there could be built protection shields
>
>
> i would like to see your arguments
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Ted Smith <tedks at riseup.net> wrote:
> I'm a little skeptical of wireless mesh networks as a general
> solution
> to this sort of problem, because they're inherently chatty,
> and have
> very limited reach.
>
> I think a better solution is local wired networks with
> something like
> Freenet running over them providing distributed
> censorship-proof
> storage. The next challenge is to synchronize contents between
> local
> Freenet darknets over sneakernet, which I don't think has been
> done.
>
> On Wed, 2016-02-10 at 16:06 +0100, Cari Machet wrote:
> > there are mesh networks
> >
> >
> > freifunk
> >
> >
> > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=freifunk+berlin
> >
> >
> >
> > also when people woke up to the cables of the net all going
> thru the
> > US there was at least talk of making new infrastructure on
> other land
> > masses
> >
> >
> > i wrote about the chatanooga model that freed the fiber
> under the city
> > of chatanooga and also the future being wireless hubs not
> > broadband ... look to what the powers are making frameworks
> for and
> > develop outside that realm using its flaws
> >
> >
> > when i lived in syria i had video calls in the middle of the
> > desert ... no cell towers in sight -
> >
> >
> > iraqis had video calling in 2000 or even 1999 - anyone that
> had an
> > efficient fone (nokia was big)
> >
> >
> > in other words the whole system is throttled and thats not
> just about
> > speed
> >
> >
> > but quantum computing development is being ignored ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Zenaan Harkness
> <zen at freedbms.net>
> > wrote:
> > Posting 'useful' (your definition) older emails like
> this I
> > think is good.
> >
> > >> 4. The non-profit, open-source, volunteer
> internet
> > providing services
> > >> or products at no cost or for donations.
> > >>
> > >> 5. The closed sub-internets, mil-gov classified,
> SCADA,
> > restricted
> > >> and special purpose networks used by operators
> and
> > administrators of
> > >> backbones, nodes, satellite, cable, wired and
> wireless
> > systems,
> > >>
> > >> Second, the unknown internets, with or without
> evident
> > access logging:
> > >>
> > >> 6. The covert policing and spying internet which
> watches,
> > logs,
> > >> mucks around, runs stings, causes accidents and
> shut-downs,
> > cuts
> > >> cables, runs surprise tests and attacks, and
> keeps alive
> > the demand
> > >> for covert oversight of all the known others.
> > >>
> > >> 7. The covert internets which hide among all the
> others, or
> > try to
> > >> subject to discovery by 6.
> > >>
> > >> 8. The evanescent internets which are set up,
> used and
> > disappear
> > >> quickly, openly or covertly, subject to 6.
> > >>
> > >> 9. The wayward and waylaid internets which cannot
> be
> > identified:
> > >> rogues, experiments, mistakes, erratic systems,
> unexpected
> > >> glitches and consequences, acts of nature,
> forgotten
> > protocols,
> > >> inept code, destructive code, lost access
> techniques, death
> > >> of the perpetrators.
> > >>
> > >> 10. Internets of combinations, hybrids,
> deceptions, ploys
> > and
> > >> warfare among 1-9.
> >
> > We need a good name for the internet with these
> attributes:
> > - not so ad-hoc
> > - physical layer
> > - localised/ immediate neighbourhood area mini-nets
> >
> > - eventually (if useful) a meta network connecting
> these
> >
> > Since in general we don't own our internet tubes,
> the mostly
> > profit-motivated companies that do have ongoing
> economic
> > incentive to
> > centralize, control, be taken over by larger fish.
> >
> > We need to grok a counter-principle, such that we
> can over the
> > longer
> > term reverse this trend.
> >
> > This requires perhaps some perceivable benefit(s) to
> the local
> > neighbours and their phy nodes, to warrant the hour
> or so
> > required to
> > connect to each other.
> >
> > So where could such features/ benefits arise?:
> > - some new dynamic of torrents?
> > - local/ community "library" concept?
> > - privacy?
> > - anonymity?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cari Machet
> > NYC 646-436-7795
> > carimachet at gmail.com
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> Cari Machet
> NYC 646-436-7795
> carimachet at gmail.com
> AIM carismachet
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