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<p>Hi Ted, </p><p><br></p><p>Yes, I agree with you. </p><p><br></p><p>Supposedly, this list was for anarchists who wanted to advance strong cryptography and individual liberty. </p><p><br></p><p>However, it seems like the large majority of postings here are unfortunately not about cryptography, nor anarchy. Agreed about the white fascism. </p><p><br></p><p>The ideal would be idea to have more code, more crypto. </p><p><br></p><p>However, as you said, it might be a lost cause. Which is quite sad, considering what it originally represented. But thanks for writing this nonetheless :) </p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Ted Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tedks@riseup.net" target="_blank">tedks@riseup.net</a>></span> wrote:</p><blockquote>Somewhat confusing threading here Cari.<br><br>I see a few possibilities as to what I could do here:<br><br> * Be vigilant in calling out patriarchal, racist, and generally<br> neoliberal or fascist ideas promoted by some of the more recent<br> arrivals.<br> * This would provided a benchmark on the list indicating<br> that these ideas are not generally accepted.<br> * This would also require me to argue with assholes on the<br> Internet. As the say goes, pigs, mud, etc..<br> * Filter these people out and try to maintain productive on-topic<br> discussion.<br> * This would be of limited usefulness since people who I<br> generally find to be quality contributors continue to<br> respond to the Stormfront-esque crowd.<br> * Filter the whole list, comb through it periodically to see if<br> there is any useful signal, and call out the most egregious<br> offenses I can find.<br> * This is what I've chosen to do since it is optimal from<br> my time perspective.<br><br>I think this list is a lost cause at this point. Ever since around the<br>time it became more discoverable after the switch from <a href="http://al-qaeda.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">al-qaeda.net</a> to<br><a href="http://cpunks.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">cpunks.org</a>, and some possibly overzealous cross-posting, the discourse<br>has shifted from actual cypherpunkery to white men complaining about<br>having their privilege eroded on other mailing lists. There are a number<br>of quality contributors that no longer post here, reducing the signal<br>and allowing more noise. I can't bring them back. But I can at least<br>remind anyone more moderate listening that the cypherpunks list wasn't<br>always a far-right discussion group, which I think is the reverence due<br>to the community that used to exist.<br><br>I'd appreciate any suggestions, onlist or offline, from anyone who<br>thinks similarly of the ideological drift of this list from generally<br>anti-authoritarian to crypto-white nationalism.</blockquote><p><br></p><p>Mon Feb 08 2016 6:30:25 PM from dan@geer.org</p><p>------------------------------</p><p>By my records, the word "sheeple" appears in 2% of all messages</p><p>posted on this list, making it demonstrably ironic that we are</p><p>even discussing a call for something other than meritocracy.</p><p><br></p><p>--dan</p><p><br></p>
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