<div dir="ltr">love it ! thanks ted<img src="http://t.sidekickopen35.com/e1t/o/5/f18dQhb0S7ks8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9gXrN7sKj6v5dfb6W5vwkZs7fZjrnW2BpKgF2zlZNzW8v-hnY1k1H6H0?si=5459291358625792&pi=692c8222-53d0-4de6-ee70-9e0e6ae782e5" style="display:none!important" height="1" width="1"></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Ted Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tedks@riseup.net" target="_blank">tedks@riseup.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Somewhat confusing threading here Cari.<br>
<br>
I see a few possibilities as to what I could do here:<br>
<br>
* Be vigilant in calling out patriarchal, racist, and generally<br>
neoliberal or fascist ideas promoted by some of the more recent<br>
arrivals.<br>
* This would provided a benchmark on the list indicating<br>
that these ideas are not generally accepted.<br>
* This would also require me to argue with assholes on the<br>
Internet. As the say goes, pigs, mud, etc..<br>
* Filter these people out and try to maintain productive on-topic<br>
discussion.<br>
* This would be of limited usefulness since people who I<br>
generally find to be quality contributors continue to<br>
respond to the Stormfront-esque crowd.<br>
* Filter the whole list, comb through it periodically to see if<br>
there is any useful signal, and call out the most egregious<br>
offenses I can find.<br>
* This is what I've chosen to do since it is optimal from<br>
my time perspective.<br>
<br>
I think this list is a lost cause at this point. Ever since around the<br>
time it became more discoverable after the switch from <a href="http://al-qaeda.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">al-qaeda.net</a> to<br>
<a href="http://cpunks.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">cpunks.org</a>, and some possibly overzealous cross-posting, the discourse<br>
has shifted from actual cypherpunkery to white men complaining about<br>
having their privilege eroded on other mailing lists. There are a number<br>
of quality contributors that no longer post here, reducing the signal<br>
and allowing more noise. I can't bring them back. But I can at least<br>
remind anyone more moderate listening that the cypherpunks list wasn't<br>
always a far-right discussion group, which I think is the reverence due<br>
to the community that used to exist.<br>
<br>
I'd appreciate any suggestions, onlist or offline, from anyone who<br>
thinks similarly of the ideological drift of this list from generally<br>
anti-authoritarian to crypto-white nationalism.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On Fri, 2016-02-05 at 20:37 +0100, Cari Machet wrote:<br>
> Dear ted you are part of the community and you can work to make it<br>
> better or just complain about yesteryear<br>
><br>
> On Feb 3, 2016 3:19 AM, "Cari Machet" <<a href="mailto:carimachet@gmail.com">carimachet@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Code of conduct no but community agreements yes ... plus<br>
> social norms and social engineering is alive and well even<br>
> here on cypherpunks ... should we make a list?<br>
><br>
> What is comming up here is restorative justice by subjects<br>
> that have no clue that there is such a concept<br>
><br>
> On Jan 27, 2016 5:50 PM, "Rayzer" <<a href="mailto:Rayzer@riseup.net">Rayzer@riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Zenaan Harkness replies to: 1/27/16, Peter Tonoli<br>
> wrote::<br>
> >> On the other hand, I can't see Cypherpunks agreeing<br>
> to a 'code of<br>
> >> > conduct', or adhering to it.<br>
> > Come on ... surely you jest?!?<br>
><br>
> When Abbie Hoffman was asked about the nature of the<br>
> Chicago 7, 6, 8, 10<br>
> 'conspiracy' he replied:<br>
><br>
> > "Conspiracy? We can't even agree on lunch."<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> RR<br>
><br>
> "Through counter-intelligence it should be possible to<br>
> pinpoint potential trouble-makers ... And neutralize<br>
> them, neutralize them, neutralize them'<br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
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Sent from Ubuntu<br>
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