<div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">So if that bill will be passed, National Security and Defense Council</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">can ban any foreign media, website, foundation, movement, printed</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">material, etc. without court.</span><br>
</blockquote><div><br></div>Syria was under martial law... for several decades prior to their civil war.<div><br></div><div>But than again... for a few years, Lincoln was a dictator, going so far to even free the slaves amid disapproval from his cabinet.</div>
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1. Re: cypherpunks Digest, Vol 14, Issue 11 (Andrew White)<br>
2. Re: Update your Tors - Tor security advisory: "relay early"<br>
traffic confirmation attack (Juan)<br>
3. A post-spy world (John Young)<br>
4. Re: Update your Tors - Tor security advisory: "relay early"<br>
traffic confirmation attack (rysiek)<br>
5. SnakeoilMailbox? (rysiek)<br>
6. Ukraine passed the bill about sanctions in first reading, it<br>
give power to close media, websites, and more (Anton Nesterov)<br>
7. Re: [cryptography] A post-spy world (Ryan Carboni)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 09:37:53 -0700<br>
From: Andrew White <<a href="mailto:invalidheader@gmail.com">invalidheader@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:cypherpunks@cpunks.org">cypherpunks@cpunks.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: cypherpunks Digest, Vol 14, Issue 11<br>
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> Message: 2<br>
> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 08:42:20 +1000<br>
> From: "James A. Donald" <<a href="mailto:jamesd@echeque.com">jamesd@echeque.com</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:cypherpunks@cpunks.org">cypherpunks@cpunks.org</a><br>
> Subject: Ripple's consensus algorithm.<br>
> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:53E7F54C.80805@echeque.com">53E7F54C.80805@echeque.com</a>><br>
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> Bitcoin's consensus algorithm is weight of computing power, which is OK<br>
> as long as weight of computing power aligns with interest in bitcoin<br>
> being a useful currency.<br>
><br>
> Weight of stake would be better, but so far I am unaware of any<br>
> satisfactory proposals for weight of stake.<br>
><br>
><br>
This is called "proof of stake" not weight of stake and is different from<br>
Ripple's consensus process.<br>
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> Ripples consensus algorithm is weight of club members, and the process<br>
> for getting into the club is opaque, as are the interests and incentives<br>
> of the existing club members.<br>
><br>
<br>
This doesn't really describe how Ripple works. Ripple relies on the<br>
agreement of 80% or more of validator nodes per gateway to verify if a<br>
transaction took place or not. I write more about this in<br>
<a href="http://rippleinvestmentguide.com/" target="_blank">http://rippleinvestmentguide.com/</a><br>
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> I would suppose one gets into the club if no existing member blackballs<br>
> you, which would be fine if there is already sufficient diversity of<br>
> interests within the club.<br>
><br>
<br>
Only if 80% of the networks validator nodes do that which is in practice<br>
not likely to happen on a large enough scale.<br>
<br>
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><br>
> It is not obvious to me how well the ripple consensus algorithm would<br>
> work in the event of substantial conflicts between club members, or bad<br>
> behavior by club members, or bad things happening to the network.<br>
<br>
<br>
> Has it been analyzed for performance in the event of bad behavior by<br>
> some club members?<br>
><br>
<br>
I'll ping David Schwartz one of the co-inventors about this question.<br>
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:24:08 -0300<br>
From: Juan <<a href="mailto:juan.g71@gmail.com">juan.g71@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:cypherpunks@cpunks.org">cypherpunks@cpunks.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: Update your Tors - Tor security advisory: "relay early"<br>
traffic confirmation attack<br>
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 11:13:10 +0200<br>
rysiek <<a href="mailto:rysiek@hackerspace.pl">rysiek@hackerspace.pl</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Dnia wtorek, 5 sierpnia 2014 20:31:26 Juan pisze:<br>
> > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 00:19:17 +0200<br>
> ><br>
> > rysiek <<a href="mailto:rysiek@hackerspace.pl">rysiek@hackerspace.pl</a>> wrote:<br>
> > > One of the things I have learnt during the years of my brushing<br>
> > > shoulders with Teh Gummint (public consultations, conferences,<br>
> > > etc) is that a huge bureaucracy like a government is bound to have<br>
> > > conflicting interests and fund/take conflicting actions.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Governments are not homogeneous, to say the least.<br>
> ><br>
> > Governments are pretty homoneneous criminal organizations.<br>
> > The fact that sometimes different government factions within a<br>
> > given government quarrel a bit over the spoils is basically<br>
> > meaningless, from the point of view of government victims at<br>
> > least.<br>
><br>
> Well, obviously you haven't much experience with how governments look<br>
> from the inside.<br>
<br>
...but I do have some inside information about the 'legal<br>
system', having been raised by lawyers =P<br>
<br>
><br>
> Ministries and departments have different and conflicting policies<br>
> regarding some of their overlapping responsibilities, and the flow of<br>
> information is a real problem. Add to that some personal animosities<br>
> and ambitions and you get a clusterfuck of an organisation.<br>
<br>
Yes, all of that is true. I am aware of the fact that there are<br>
different factions inside a government. I did explicitly<br>
mention that. It doesn't affect my argument(s) though.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> A clusterfuck leaving quite a lot of space for projects like Tor.<br>
><br>
<br>
Sorry, but that's circular.<br>
<br>
You *assume* tor isn't designed as a tool to further imperial<br>
american policies and you arrive at the conclusion that there<br>
are some 'good guys' in the US government.<br>
<br>
Too bad your assumption is what you actually need to prove.<br>
<br>
The argument here is that tor is a small network that can be<br>
more or less easily 'traffic analyzed' by the US government -<br>
the same government that created it. This is not 'rocket<br>
science'...<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:52:19 -0400<br>
From: John Young <<a href="mailto:jya@pipeline.com">jya@pipeline.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:cypherpunks@cpunks.org">cypherpunks@cpunks.org</a>, <a href="mailto:cryptography@randombit.net">cryptography@randombit.net</a>,<br>
<a href="mailto:cryptography@metzdowd.com">cryptography@metzdowd.com</a><br>
Subject: A post-spy world<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:E1XGwYA-0004Z3-DQ@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net">E1XGwYA-0004Z3-DQ@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net</a>><br>
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"We are moving toward a post-spy world, according to the guy that<br>
runs the CIA's venture capital arm."<br>
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<<a href="http://t.co/5eYfbRYU8k" target="_blank">http://t.co/5eYfbRYU8k</a>><a href="http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2014/08/10-ways-make-internet-safe-cyber-attacks/90866/?oref=d-channelriver" target="_blank">http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2014/08/10-ways-make-internet-safe-cyber-attacks/90866/?oref=d-channelriver</a><br>
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:09:52 +0200<br>
From: rysiek <<a href="mailto:rysiek@hackerspace.pl">rysiek@hackerspace.pl</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:cypherpunks@cpunks.org">cypherpunks@cpunks.org</a><br>
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Dnia poniedziałek, 11 sierpnia 2014 17:24:08 Juan pisze:<br>
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 11:13:10 +0200<br>
><br>
> rysiek <<a href="mailto:rysiek@hackerspace.pl">rysiek@hackerspace.pl</a>> wrote:<br>
> > Dnia wtorek, 5 sierpnia 2014 20:31:26 Juan pisze:<br>
> > > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 00:19:17 +0200<br>
> > ><br>
> > > rysiek <<a href="mailto:rysiek@hackerspace.pl">rysiek@hackerspace.pl</a>> wrote:<br>
> > > > One of the things I have learnt during the years of my brushing<br>
> > > > shoulders with Teh Gummint (public consultations, conferences,<br>
> > > > etc) is that a huge bureaucracy like a government is bound to have<br>
> > > > conflicting interests and fund/take conflicting actions.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Governments are not homogeneous, to say the least.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Governments are pretty homoneneous criminal organizations.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The fact that sometimes different government factions within a<br>
> > ><br>
> > > given government quarrel a bit over the spoils is basically<br>
> > > meaningless, from the point of view of government victims at<br>
> > > least.<br>
> ><br>
> > Well, obviously you haven't much experience with how governments look<br>
> > from the inside.<br>
><br>
> ...but I do have some inside information about the 'legal<br>
> system', having been raised by lawyers =P<br>
><br>
> > Ministries and departments have different and conflicting policies<br>
> > regarding some of their overlapping responsibilities, and the flow of<br>
> > information is a real problem. Add to that some personal animosities<br>
> > and ambitions and you get a clusterfuck of an organisation.<br>
><br>
> Yes, all of that is true. I am aware of the fact that there are<br>
> different factions inside a government. I did explicitly<br>
> mention that. It doesn't affect my argument(s) though.<br>
><br>
> > A clusterfuck leaving quite a lot of space for projects like Tor.<br>
><br>
> Sorry, but that's circular.<br>
><br>
> You *assume* tor isn't designed as a tool to further imperial<br>
> american policies and you arrive at the conclusion that there<br>
> are some 'good guys' in the US government.<br>
<br>
No, I didn't say there are any "good guys" (nor that there aren't any, mind<br>
you). But even between a clusterfuck of "bad guys", each dragging in their own<br>
direction, simply *because* they are dragging all in different directions,<br>
there might be space for some neat projects.<br>
<br>
Think of it as a hack on the system.<br>
<br>
Guy A needs total secrecy of communication for their moles in third world<br>
countries and finances a tool that incidentally is a huge PITA for guy B, that<br>
tries to surveil everything and everybody.<br>
<br>
Guy A and guy B are far enough from each other<br>
(system/hierarchy/department/competence-wise) that they do not co-operate, nor<br>
even know of each other too well. Or: they know of each other and are in a<br>
state of "cold war" for resources or ambition-related aims.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Pozdr<br>
rysiek<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:01:54 +0200<br>
From: rysiek <<a href="mailto:rysiek@hackerspace.pl">rysiek@hackerspace.pl</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:cypherpunks@cpunks.org">cypherpunks@cpunks.org</a><br>
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Hi there,<br>
<br>
so, this got sent my way:<br>
<a href="http://securemailbox.com/" target="_blank">http://securemailbox.com/</a><br>
<br>
It rings several of stef-defined bells for snakeoil, but maybe I don't see<br>
something? Anybody any info on this?<br>
<br>
--<br>
Pozdr<br>
rysiek<br>
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:01:43 +0000<br>
From: Anton Nesterov <<a href="mailto:komachi@openmailbox.org">komachi@openmailbox.org</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:cypherpunks@cpunks.org">cypherpunks@cpunks.org</a><br>
Subject: Ukraine passed the bill about sanctions in first reading, it<br>
give power to close media, websites, and more<br>
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It includes many types of sanctions, but most interesting is that ones:<br>
<br>
9) the prohibition or restriction of the retransmission of television<br>
and radio channels;<br>
10) the prohibition to use radio frequency resource of Ukraine;<br>
11) the restriction or termination of the media or other information<br>
activities, including those in the Internet;<br>
12) the restriction or prohibition of production or distribution of<br>
printed materials and other information materials;<br>
24) the prohibition of political parties, movements and other civil<br>
society associations and foundations;<br>
<br>
So if that bill will be passed, National Security and Defense Council<br>
can ban any foreign media, website, foundation, movement, printed<br>
material, etc. without court.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://osvita.mediasapiens.ua/material/33612" target="_blank">http://osvita.mediasapiens.ua/material/33612</a> news report (in Ukrainian)<br>
<a href="http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/webproc4_1?pf3511=51915" target="_blank">http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/webproc4_1?pf3511=51915</a> text (in<br>
Ukrainian)<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 08:14:39 -0700<br>
From: Ryan Carboni <<a href="mailto:ryacko@gmail.com">ryacko@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:cypherpunks@cpunks.org">cypherpunks@cpunks.org</a>, <a href="mailto:cryptography@randombit.net">cryptography@randombit.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [cryptography] A post-spy world<br>
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John Young, true masterspy.<br>
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On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 1:52 PM, John Young <<a href="mailto:jya@pipeline.com">jya@pipeline.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> "We are moving toward a post-spy world, according to the guy that runs<br>
> the CIA’s venture capital arm."<br>
><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2014/08/10-ways-make-internet-safe-cyber-attacks/90866/?oref=d-channelriver" target="_blank">http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2014/08/10-ways-make-internet-safe-cyber-attacks/90866/?oref=d-channelriver</a><br>
> <<a href="http://t.co/5eYfbRYU8k" target="_blank">http://t.co/5eYfbRYU8k</a>><br>
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