bantering with punk was Re: What advantage does Signal protocol have over basic public key encryption?

[Karl]

>> Could you summarise this for me, please?  It is too long and upsetting to
>> read.
>>
>
> 	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM

I watched this.  I do not know german.  What does the video mean to you?

>> I don't think an ability to form words that alone sound like a good
>> argument in response to an ignored point, makes those good words have
>> meaning when said.

Here are a couple things you said:
> >
> > this conversation ended up being unpleasant to me.  i am changing my replies.
> >
> > I LOVE YOU PUNK!  I HATE ARGUING!
> >
> > I LOVE FASCISTS AND FAKE LIBERTARIANS AND GOVERNMENT AGENTS AND
> > SOCIALISTS AND TERRORISTS!
>
>         funnily enough, there are more than a few people who belong to all those categories at once. And fscism, socialism and terrorism are of course closely related.

Yeah, but everybody disagrees on how, so it's easy to get mad at it.
Some think each different one of the first two things either is the
third thing or is the target of the third thing, for example.


>         Maybe you can run your own signal server - how many people do that though?

The signal ratchet protocol is used in a wide variety of spin-off
applications, both community and corporate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Ratchet_Algorithm#Applications

Here is some information on running your own server, with a link to a
fork of signal that connects independently run servers:
https://www.reddit.com/r/signal/comments/7poh3f/is_it_possible_to_create_a_private_signal_server/

It's really a lot of work to look up information to back up every
single point I make.  Can we just assume that if something is clearly
not hard to do, that many people have done it, in general?

>         On the other hand you cannot use the 'signal service' at signal.org without registering. As a side note of sorts :  "Signal is a registered trademark in the United States and other countries.". Plus :
>
>         "You agree to use our Services only for legal, authorized, and acceptable purposes. "
>         ('acceptable'? 'authorized'? 'legal'? LMAO)
>
>         "Signal’s Rights. We own all copyrights, trademarks, domains, logos, trade dress, trade secrets, patents, and other intellectual property rights associated with our Services."

Trademark law doesn't seem to be a good point against anything here,
to me.  It is normal in the USA to register trademarks for words.
This makes it harder for other people to co-opt them and pretend to be
you.  They are only legally protecting their name and logo.

Yes, their mainstream client centralises registration, probably for
reliable identity management, a choice that has been discussed
extensively.

> > I LOVE YOU PUNK!  I HATE ARGUING!
> >
> > I LOVE FASCISTS AND FAKE LIBERTARIANS AND GOVERNMENT AGENTS AND
> > SOCIALISTS AND TERRORISTS!  I LOVE ANYBODY WHO HATES ME!
>
>
>         For the record, I don't hate you. As to your comment, are you suggesting I may be any of the above?

Yay =)  I don't hate you either.

No, I was trying to respond in advance to any supposition that because
I love all these kinds of people, that I might hate or be hated by
some other kind of person.  If this is true, let these people know I
love them too.

> <more unaddressed quotes existed>