A raging public debate - or not - was [zen at freedbms.net: Re: republican fools]

Mon May 1 20:09:07 PDT 2017

The eternal vigilance we must display when we have relatively solid
foundations, as we do in Australia notwithstanding the mostly self
serving corrup politicians and other power brokers, is notable.

At least once a year, those behind the scenes to to fuck us over in
Australia, with deceptive and undermining "public discourse".

And roughly every 10 to 20 years, TPTB actually run a referendum to
try to turn Australia into a republic, on one or another "emotive,
politically correct, hot social topic of the day" such as:

 - "recognizing" Aboriginals in the constitution so the parliament
   can pass laws specifically about them (pro- or anti-) thus
   instituting a constitutionally racist regime

 - getting rid of "the Queen" or "the Crown" or "the Monarch" as head
   of state because "surely we got ta have an Australian as head of
   state" (the current topic du jour), which is hogwash, since the
   ultimate Australian head of state is only titular anyway (i.e.
   holding no significant power except some power to declare war,
   which has always been left to our parliament anyway)

 - turning us into a republic, because "republics are wonderful, just
   look at America"

In all cases, the public discourse as lead by TPTB is deceptive and
highly narrow - the LEGAL foundations within our current system/
federal Australian constitution, are always ignored (except that we
in the public open our eyes to the deception and have the
conversation we need to have), such as the following legal
foundations:

 - invocation of the Blessing of Almighty God
   (legally, a GREAT foundation to have in any constitution)

 - the Crown/ the parliament of the UK
   (legally good for us since it brings in Magna Charta, Bill of
   Rights (old English/imperial bill of rights - i.e. William and
   Mary Cess.) and other imperial legislation some of which is
   absolutely in our interests as individual humans within Australia.

Alas, the powers that be don't like the fact of the existence of the
Blessing of Almighty God at the foundation of our Australian federal
Constitution!

They also don't like the fact that our forefathers discussed in the
constitution debates, and specifically spoke "the supreme absolute
and uncontrollable authority remains with the people".

And so, as to be expected, The Powers That Be continue to try to
undermine these (by any modern standards) very good, foundations that
we have in Austalia.

Regards,
Zenaan

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From: Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net>
To: Charles Mollison <cobbscrossing at bigpond.com>
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 12:44:52 +1000
Subject: Re: republican fools

On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 11:16:39AM +1000, Charles Mollison wrote:
> We would all do well to take note of John Wilson’s wise words here below.
> 
> However, a new Constitution could fix all these problems if it is
> properly drafted. (Whether or not it be for a Constitutional
> Monarchy OR a Democratic Republic.)

Please stop spreading such rubbish!

Per the Quick and Garran annotations and the foundational hansard
conferences and debates:

"The supreme absolute and uncontrollable authority remains with the
people."

Those who push for change are failing to see that we in Australia,

 already have one of the finest constitutions, IN THE WORLD!

We cannot grant to ourselves MORE authority than we, the people, are
already declared to have, by our CURRENT constitution.

The ONLY problems are that people DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH, they don't
know what we already have, such as we already have a Bill of Rights!!

(The old English bill of rights - William and Mary Cess.)

ALL we have to do is start LIVING the rights we already have.

The current foundation of our federal constitution in Australia is
about as good as it gets, for us/ we the people.

Sure, there are a FEW relatively minor areas for improvement, but ANY
MAJOR CHANGE will all but certainly DESTROY the incredibly powerful
and protective foundations that we already have.

Your words "a new Constitution could fix all these problems" are
deceptive.

Your deceptive words might be deceptive due to a need for
understanding on your part. I hope that's the only reason you are
spreading deceptive words.

Your words suggesting a "Democratic Republic" would be acceptable are
also deceptive - "Whether or not it be for a Constitutional
Monarchy OR a Democratic Republic."

Charles Mollison, please STOP using deceptive words.

As Gerrit Schorel-Hlavka, Jim Stephanovski, Malcolm McClure, Joyn
Wilson and many others have said, CORRECTLY I add:

 A republic puts the parliament OVER we the people!

When you suggest or imply in your words to people that a republic is
a reasonable option, you are making a false and or deceptive
suggestion to people.

Please STOP making false and deceptive suggestions to people.

Another awesome foundation in our CURRENT constitution, just another
of the reasons we have one of the greatest constitutions in the
world, is that our Australian federal constitution affirms at its
foundation, the Blessing of Almighty God.

This affirmation that our constitution is founded "humbly relying on
the Blessing of Almighty God" is one of the most powerful legal
foundations that we can, individually, rely upon, in the courts in
Australia!

This Blessing of Almighty God, as it is SPECIFICALLY AFFIRMED AND
WORDED/ CONSTRUCTED in our Australia federal constitution,

Fellow Australians, let's PROTECT the awesome LEGAL FOUNDATIONS in
our current Australian federal constitution!  Let's protect those
great affirmations and legal constructions in the very foundation of
our Australian constitutional monarchy which our forefathers so
wisely handed to us on a silver plate!

Let us continue to remind those who misrepresent the truth of our
powerful Australian constitutional monarchy - powerful for we the
people, powerful legal foundations, humbly affirming the sovereignty
of we the people as ABOVE the parliaments and bloody and
opportunistic politicians who want MORE authority, which they can
only take from us by DESTROYING those foundations that we already
have in our existing Australian federal constitution!

> The Foundation for National Renewal has drafted such a new
> Constitution. It is available from FNR at cobbscrossing at bigpond.com
> <mailto:cobbscrossing at bigpond.com> . ($10 plus P&P). Although only
> a draft, we believe it has answers for all the warnings John Wilson
> raises in his article below. 

Your approach is opportunistic.

Your requirement for money to engage in any such conversation is
fundamentally at odds with the modern reality.

Your implication of "special authority and insight" from yourself and
or those you associate with is ABSOLUTELY OBJECTIONABLE!

How DARE you assert (by implication or otherwise) to the rest of us
that we cannot think for ourselves, or cannot engage fully in the
very foundation of EVERY conversation potentially affective our
future!

How dare you use deceptive, condescending and fundamentally
undermining words!

Your approach is fundamentally wrong, deceptive and flawed.

And the biggest joke is that even the attachments you send have major
problems, and you are probably so unaware as to realise what those
problems are.. it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

> Check it out.

At least the subject is appropriate - "republican fools" indeed.

Charles Mollison your foundations are flawed, your execution is
flawed, and the words you continue to use are deceptive!

Your intentions may be good, in which case you have much to learn,
and I implore you to please stop using words which deceive our fellow
Australians and encourage the ignorant to walk in directions which
are absolutely detrimental to our common individual and shared
collective authority and well legal being!!

If you are truly sincere, please read some of Gerrit Schorel-Hlavka's
books, or some of Andrew Moyles letters and court submissions, or
damn, read some of our existing federal constitution!

If you are truly sincere, you would have involved yourself in the
various discussions that happen in our community in last two decades!
But we have not seen you be involved.

- When Gerrit was in court, Charles where were you with your support
  and review of his documents? 

- When Mr Moyle was supporting others in court, where were you
  Charles with your support?

- When Mr Stefanovski brought to our attention the court cases of
  fellow Australians, when Mr Wilson and his crew were in court and
  beating the "trial by jury" drum,

  WHERE WERE YOU Mr Charles Mollison?!!

- and dozens of other examples ...

 Charles, you prance onto the scene, charging for some "new solution
 to all our problems", made by folks who you imply "know how to
 PROPERLY draft a constitution", SO MUCH BETTER than the dozens of
 men and women and 100s if not 1000s more behind the scenes who
 drafted our current constitution over 100 years ago - and you expect
 us to run along with your implication that "BAH! What would all
 those founding fathers know! They were so stooopid they did not even
 know how to PROPERLY draft a constitution!"

The conceit and pride you have just displayed Mr Charles Mollison!

 "Oh what would 100s of founding fathers diligently meeting
  and discussing over 15 years even know!"

The only real problem is the ratbags getting elected, good people
failing to stand for election and failing to unite with other good
people, those in power who abuse their power (regardless of what any
"constitution" says), and the lack of education of our fellow
Australians about our awesome foundations and how to use those
foundations!

  WE NEED A NEW CONSTITUTION LIKE WE NEED FLOURIDE IN OUR WATER.

A shout out to all those who who stand and solid foundations,
including:

- Gerrit Schorel-Hlavka, valiantly and consistently defending the
  true foundations of our excellent federal constitution

- Malcolm McClure, who tought me and many others the value of
  standing on solid foundations of our constitution, Magna Carta,
  Bill of Rights and more, in the courts

- John Wilson, religiously beating the drum on the importance of our
  CONSTITUTIONAL foundation of trial by jury and its eminent remedial
  utility

- Jim Stefanovski, steadfastly engaging us all in the public
  discourse, making valiant individual stand, and providing moral
  support to others who try to stand as well

- Andrew Moyle, ever vigilant on our Australian foundations and
  supporting those he can

There are so many others, many still with us, still standing and
still speaking out well and strong like Ray Platt, and others who
have gone before and, who made incredible stands, true credits to
Australia as a nation.

Let's all do a little bit more, perhaps read one foundation document
(or section) per month that we have not yet read, perhaps giving
moral support to those who make a true stand (as best we can
ascertain individually), and let us be eternally vigilant against the
forces of deception and destruction, against those conversations and
against those actions that would and do undermine us, undermine our
fellow Aussies, and undermine the very foundations which are good and
wholesome and which have proven the test of time DESPITE far too many
ratbags getting into power just to serve themselves and their
crony mates!

Eternal vigilance fellow freedom fighters - eternal vigilance.

Respectfully to all those who uphold our truly good and wholesome
foundations in our Australian federal constitution, our
"constitutional monarchy",

Zenaan Harkness,
Victoria, Australia

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